From the moment I started at the academy I noticed that sculpting was very demanding on both a physical and a psychological level. This has never diminished. I very much like what I do, but a large percentage of my practice involves…..
Nadia Naveau
Nadia Naveau
Text JF.Ā Pierets Ā Ā Ā ArtworkĀ Nadia Naveau
Iām going to start with a quote by Ai Weiwei: āBeing an artist is not a job, itās an identityā.
Definitely! From the moment I started at the academy I noticed that sculpting was very demanding on both a physical and a psychological level. This has never diminished. I very much like what I do, but a large percentage of my practice involves – letās call it āsufferingā for lack of a better word. You canāt underestimate the hard work involved in a creative process. Maybe it has something to do with my perfectionism and the way I always seek to surprise myself. I am able to make large and complex series likeĀ Salon du PlaisirĀ – but then I have to change everything and make it challenging again. I want to keep finding things that I donāt know yet. I want to keep on being amazed. Those steps can be very small, and they may not even be noticed by the public, but for me they are very important. Thatās the thing Iām pursuing. That doesnāt mean it always works out. So when it doesnāt, Iāll feel unhappy and unsatisfied. But when it does you have the feeling that you can literally do anything. Itās a never ending circle which Iām quite familiar with by now, but when I was younger I definitely considered giving up art and starting a day job.
Can you describe what you are looking for?Ā
Thatās difficult to explain because in the first place itās about a certain tension between shapes, between abstract or organically formed elements. Iām also looking for surprise. Iām always curious and never satisfied with things I already know. I keep searching for the new. Although āsearchingā may be the wrong word because I have the feeling that I bump into things. Theyāre just there when I need them. When Iām in this creative flow, things come my way. Those things can be very banal. It can be a color, a shape, or even a chip of wood from a chair. Everything automatically makes sense and comes to terms with what Iām working on at the moment. I know it all sounds a bit abstract but it makes sense in my head. I guess you can compare it to a jigsaw puzzle where every piece automatically leads to the big picture.
If you say you want to surprise yourself, does that mean that you never know the outcome?
Not always, no. All the images in my mind translate into the clay as some sort of collage. Sometimes I donāt know where an image comes from, yet when the piece is finished and I start talking about it, spend time with it, it all matches up. It all becomes clear. I notice I keep on fostering connections between what I did before and how I can make it more abstract, or make a different version of it. Every piece is a step forward to the next one. Even little things like collages or pictures I make, are a prelude to the piece that comes next. My intuition is often faster than my interpretation or reason.
What makes you go to your studio every time?Ā
Discipline and action. When Iām – for one reason or another – a bit rusty, I start making things through boredom. Things I know, things that donāt take any effort. I start sculpting Nick (Nadiaās husband, painter Nick Andrews), which gets me going most of the time. Itās all about doing things. I get a lot of inspiration from magazines, from traveling or design, but in the end you just have to start and see where it leads you. However, Iāve also learned that itās not bad to take a break every now and then. Especially after an exhibition when itās important to wind down. And even when feelings of guilt start to kick in, I always acknowledge the value of just doing nothing for a while. Sometimes you just have to let go.
Some African languages donāt have a word for artist, but translate it as magician: someone who puts magical powers into an object? What do you put into your work?
I have the feeling that I literally put everything into my work. And since I often cannot recall how Iāve made something, the fear of not being able to do it anymore lingers once in a while. Even when everything always works out fine, I cannot say that the process is obvious. Itās a huge contrast to when Iām feeling confident. The greatest moment is when you feel that everything connects, when you are in the middle of this creative process where all the pieces come together. Then I can even say that Iāve made the best thing Iāve ever seen! This doesnāt mean Iāll have that same feeling the next day, but itās a good start. Itās an addictive feeling though. The adrenaline you feel when youāre on a confidence high is great. Itās very empowering. Enough to keep me going through the tougher times. Thankfully Iām able to put it more and more into perspective because absolutely no creativity comes from being in a negative loop.
Do you see the world differently as an artist?Ā
Probably. But I have difficulty saying so because to me it sounds very pretentious. But there is indeed a big difference between how I view the world and how, for example, my parents are experiencing it. Maybe thatās what they call āa trained eyeā? However, being a good artist is not only about how you see the world. Itās not even solely about talent. You also have to be determined. And be disciplined. Without lapsing into a regular pattern. Because then you stop evolving. An art collector once told me that he kept on buying my work because he loved to see how I was evolving. And how he always stops buying pieces from artists whoāve become predictable. That was one of the biggest compliments Iāve ever gotten.
āI like people to experience what they think and feel for themselves. Art opens peopleās minds.ā
How important is acknowledgement?
Very. I donāt think I could be the kind of artist that only creates without showing it to an audience. Iām happy to have the possibility to exhibit and enjoy the fact that people are seeing what Iāve done. Itās also very nice that after all this time of solitude, you get to put your work out there. It can be very rewarding.
Is it importantĀ that people like your work?Ā
Iām quite sensitive about it but it doesnāt guide me. Otherwise I would still be doing what I did 5 years ago. But I do feel good when people like my work. When Iām in my studio Iām on such a different planet that thereās not a thought in my mind about pleasing my viewers. However, I find showing my work in a gallery pretty stressful. Youāve given it your very best and all of a sudden people have an opinion about what youāve been doing. Itās very confrontational stepping from your studio into a place where all of a sudden youāve become someone with the intention of doing business. I think the art world has evolved in such a way that itās necessary to step fully into the process of both creating and presenting. And since Iām very bad at the business side of things, Iām very happy that I have a gallery that takes care of this.
When did you start calling yourself an artist?Ā
I still donāt. It feels weird. I always say Iām a sculptor. I think that covers it. This is a conversation I often have with my students: itās the difference between being an artist and artistic practice. I donāt think itās the same thing. For me, being part of the art world is called artistic practice, which doesnāt necessarily mean that you are an artist. Obviously I want to be part of that world, yet I donāt want to be swayed by it. Itās not what makes you an artist.
I donāt often read about or hear you explain your work. Why not?Ā
I always feel that it doesnāt matter. That it isnāt necessary. I find what people say or write about my work more appealing. Although often surprising, I find someone elseās interpretation very interesting to think about, as opposed to when I talk about it myself. I donāt have the feeling that me talking about it adds any value. Maybe itās because explaining your work ends the conversation. I like people to experience what they think and feel for themselves. Art opens peopleās minds. When I started at the academy I found that it made me wiser, more grounded. And going to a museum often has a very big influence on the way I think. But this is what it does to me personally. When it comes to other people I do hope that my work makes people think, that it has a certain impact on how someone sees the world.
Does art have to be socially relevant?
There are always issues popping up along the way but my first reaction would be to say no. Not necessarily. Someone can view a piece of art as ‘just’Ā appealing. Itās not easy to say that nowadays, but I do believe that. However, a good work of art mostly contains all those qualities. Depending on the place and time where itās created. Itās significance can even grow, becoming symbolic over time. For me itās more important to make a balanced work than to make a point. Beyond the aesthetics,Ā itās important that the image is accurate. Like a painter who finds his balance with color, or a musician finding the right notes. For me itās playing with forms and shapes.
How does it feel to live with another artist?Ā
Honestly, I cannot imagine not living with an artist. If youāre together for more than 20 years, like we are, you grow together towards new things. You experience transformation together. Also, I couldnāt do without his feedback. I donāt like to have people in my studio when I am working, but itās very important that Nick drops in because he instantly feels what Iām doing. Often itās about the little things, but itās easy for us to see what can make the other oneās work stronger. And because we know each otherās work through and through, it becomes very intuitive. His influence is never far. And the other way around.
What makes you most happy?Ā
Being with Nick and sculpting. Because thatās what I do best. The former is about love and what we are doing together, how we are exploring other countries and our work. The things we are experiencing and how we turn that into works of art. The latter makes me extremely happy in a very intense manner, but it can equally make me very unhappy. I was raised very strictly, so considering my upbringing itās not evident that I would have become a sculptor. I had to fight pretty hard to be able to do what I am doing now, so it must be very important. Otherwise I would have given up very easily. Itās both an urgency and an emergency.
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